Revisiting this option it does not appear dark mode will make much difference to those of us with small form factor phones. Some users may prefer the look, but it won’t be a battery saver.
The Palm and KingKong Mini are IPS LCD screens, not OLED. Karoo 2 doesn’t post the spec so my guess is LCD. Can a K2 user confirm that?
From what I have read LCD is backlit all the time for all colors including black/greyscale…
The dark mode battery consumption advantage would be with OLED since black is pixel turned off.
Dark mode is probably still worth doing for those with larger OLED screen phones who want to run EBC. They’ll benefit from the battery savings. Others on LCD screens may like the look, but for now it works fine as it is.
Loving the new Android EBC App. A feature request please:- Like others have said the display of MPA value during a workout is meaningless to me. I’m guessing the pink/mauve outer ‘rainbow’ arc is something to do with MPA. Could this be changed (or user configurable) to display ‘Recommended/Target Cadence’? Then I would not have to use the Web Workout Player at all as all the data I need would be on the EBC display.
Overall, EBC is a great improvement over the old Workout player - good job XERT! Thanks
NB…(don’t you hate it when you mistakenly hit return & the message posts with seemingly no way of recalling it! PPS - Just found out how to edit/delete a post - ignore this!)
That pink crescent is Xert’s moniker and something that sets Xert apart from other platforms.
Dropping MPA from the gauge would be like asking Nike to drop their swoosh.
MPA is useful whether you compete or are pushing for a BT (indoors or out) or monitoring how deep you can go on a climb or how much you can hammer in a group.
Okay, it’s fully extended much of the time for many of us , but MPA is why your signature is what it is. Don’t take my coda-chrome pink away.
I believe the rainbows in concert are a big enough deal that Xert should have an Academy 101 session dedicated solely on how to ‘ride over the rainbow’.
First explain the components, then the colors, then how to use them together when you free ride and how to target BT events, indoors or out.
Try staring at the gauge on your next indoor BT workout and you’ll see what I mean. You can actually gamify the BT event by concentrating on the gauge when the arrow and pink approach intersect. Ditto by doubling down then sprinting at the end of a climb.
CO (cadence optimizer) is being downplayed for now. If they decide to add it back there’s room to the right without losing the pink. Here’s my idea –
In zone:
Out of zone:
But let me explain why it’s being downplayed. CO is a combination of torque analyzer and preference indicator. IOW it tends to tell you what cadences you prefer to ride in at various wattages with a nod to efficiency. However, cyclists have different preferences. A grinder isn’t going to become a spinner by using CO nor should they try to be if that’s not something they want to do or in many cases their legs can’t do.
That being said I relied on CO when I first migrated to Xert and the one important thing it taught me was to slow down. I was spinning way too much all the time when most RIBs are best at a slower cadence. No point spinning high during recoveries in blue. It’s not efficient and it just raises your HR and core temp especially indoors. The exception would be high intensity over/under’s where there’s an advantage to retaining a closer spin delta. Plus it’s also more like racing if that’s your thing.
CO has directed me into a much broader range of cadences than I had habitually developed from following cadence drills on the you-know-what platform. I am not competing against anyone except myself so I don’t need to maintain high spin or worry about jumping to close gaps on group rides. YMMV
As a result of following CO as I adapted to Xert I am now a 60-120 rpm cyclist not 85-120. I am more comfortable (stronger?) at lower cadence than I would have ridden in the past. I can climb at low or high cadence depending on how fast I want to go.
At this point though whenever I happen to view the CO gauge on the remote player/monitor I’m in zone 95% of the time without thinking about it. So while I missed CO when I first started testing EBC (was an alpha tester) I have gotten used to not having it. I intuitively settle into the most efficient rpm range for me depending on intensity. Or spin up to reduce the pain and hang on during those tough intervals.
I typically use a Google Pixelbook (chromebook) for my indoor workouts as I like the larger screen size to see intervals and data. On my last look, EBC did not support landscape mode. Has this changed? Will it be added? For now I’ll keep using the original Xert app for Android.
Has anyone tried using their mobile as their bike computer outside in summertime BRIGHT sunlight? I struggle to see things on my phone in bright sunlight and am curious if it would be any better using the new Xert EBC app.
I used Xert EBC outdoors on King Kong Mini 2. In bright sunlight you need to set the brightness slider to maximum, afterwards the data is clearly visible. At the end of a two hour ride the remaining battery was over 50%.
A Garmin GPS is better on a sunny day, but the smartphone is still a good choice.
Hi @oldcyclist65 For now, the units in EBC are either all metric or all imperial. Allowing users to select units for different metrics may be something for us to consider in the future.
Yeah that would certainly be ideal as we use miles and Celsius here in the uk. Wahoo allows the mixing of units with its head units. Not sure about garnin as I don’t do garmin.
Setup my king kong mini 2 on the outdoor bike today. Looking forward to giving it a go outside as soon as the weather improves. Thanks to everyone for the help in getting it all setup including the mount advice from Scott.
Looks like the Viiiiva is going to be a good solution for RTL510 owners as long as 4iiii has resolved any reliability issues.
ANT+ to BLE bridge plus HRV stats.
NPE CABLE is the other option but then you are carrying an extra gadget plus you apparently need an iPhone app to program it. Does that make sense?
Does anyone have experience with either option pairing to ANT+ radar?
Bummer. Does the Viiiiva support firmware updates?
Looks like NPE and 4iiii will need to update their firmware to support the radar bridge (if Garmin allows it).
Until that happens the only way to support radar with EBC is an Android unit with ANT+ such as the Karoo and some phone brands/models.
Or you will need a RTL515 and a BLE option for radar on EBC (if Garmin allows it).
Otherwise we’re stuck with the ridiculously priced and bulky Garmin RHU/RDU.
I did my first outdoor ride today with my king kong mini 2 and Xert EBC.
A couple of issues…
The map disappeared after 5 minutes and I was left with a blank screen in the top section. Nothing I did was able to bring it back.
I double checked that speed from gps was selected and it was as my average speed was WAY out. You can see it was showing 22.4mph after 1hr although as you can see I had only done 14 miles. Something definitely wrong there. I wonder if average speed is using kmh instead of mph?
Aside from these 2 issues it was awesome. Love this new app thanks.
Great @oldcyclist65 Thanks for the update! Glad you’re liking it so far!
Think these can be resolved…
Our app uses Google Maps as the baselayer map. If your device doesn’t have a sim card/internet connection, then the area of the map can’t be loaded, resulting in the behavior you mentioned. However, Google Maps app allows you to download maps for offline use - follow the steps here to download a nice, large region of the map where you typically cycle (or a new map region if you’re traveling): https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6291838?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&hl=en
We’ll take a look into this - it’s possible that the units are incorrect. Did the ride show the correct averages once uploaded to Xert/Strava?
, but MPA is why your signature is what it is. Don’t take my coda-chrome pink away. 
Here’s my idea –
