I imagine all the lack of cooperation among some parties is their desire to push you to use their workout platform. I suppose they alienate too many potential Wahoo device purchasing customers if they ignore the bigger platforms like TP and TR.
I don’t think Wahoo would need any software or firmware changes to their devices for this - they just need to add the functionality to the phone app. Well I guess that depends on what level of cooperation you’re talking about. For direct sync, yeah they need to update the devices, but for basic file tranfers, the phone app would be a worthy improvement over using a cable.
This is incorrect, Wahoo would need to setup a 3rd party app/widget ecosystem due to Xert’s “non standard” (not in a bad way) approach to workouts. Like Garmin’s ConnectIQ or Hammerhead’s Android 3rd party apps. AFAIK nobody at Garmin “cooperated” with Xert, they just have the ConnectIQ ecosystem that lets the Xert team create custom apps and data fields.
So far Wahoo clearly has no interest in creating a similar ecosystem, presumably due to their focus on simplicity.
Just to clarity, this would be to do it “properly” and avoid workarounds with file uploads.
In the meantime to get Xert workouts on a Wahoo device I think the best current option is to: 1. make sure no ramps or curves in the workout 2. Process the file through TrainerDay
From purely FTP based workout, the cloud API will be gaining the ability for integrators to push structured workouts into the platform[1] for use on head units.
Yeah, I was only referring to FTP-based workout files in most of my comments. To add something like MPA on these devices definitely requires a lot more cooperation in the form of APIs or an entire ecosystem, as you call it, like Garmin has but, yeah, there’s no way in hell Wahoo will be doing that (and I don’t blame them at all). However, Wahoo could certainly add MPA as a field that only works if you Synced with Xert (to get the needed Fitness Signature data).
It’s new. I also received an email yesterday from Humango asking for beta testers for testing their integration using it. (Well - they don’t say they are outright using that API, but it’s a safe bet since it appeared as coming soon and now Humango is beta testing direct integration)
Plus 1 from me as well, having workouts on my wahoo would simplify my setup. Even though it might not feature all the XERT features, I’d be happy with the FTP-based trainings.
Would even be handy for simply running indoor workouts, using the head unit as the control device.
I don’t see a use case personally for things like grams of food or running estimates of various metrics. Just a controlled workout would be cool.
Can also see the outside benefit if there were mountain bike locations that support that too.
We don’t update any zones at the moment. Besides, zones and Xert’s power curve don’t always align or make sense even. We’ve moved beyond using zones and use low, high and peak XSS instead. Garmin devices support this for now with our new datafields.
Thanks, I understand that.
The estimated FTP from XERT is my golden reference and I update it manually in Wahoo, Strava and Zwift.
Would be cool if that happened automatically (if that is even possible)
I think Wahoo calculates automatically zones from FTP.
