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One of the ways I started using Magic Buckets on a Garmin Edge was to run it in parallel with an indoor workout running on EBC.
Iād start a HIT workout on EBC and at the same time start my Garmin which connected to HR and trainer power by ANT+.
EBC controlled my trainer in AUTO mode while the Garmin ran passively recording the activity.
Iād get part way into the workout and realize I didnāt want to complete it under ERG control. So, I would tap AUTO to switch to Slope mode, then monitor Magic Buckets on the Garmin to finish the workout following XMB guidelines. Iād either save the results on the Garmin and discard the EBC recording, or Iād save the EBC recording if I had completed most of the workout on EBC. Then Iād edit the title on XO to indicate a portion was finished using XMB although itās obvious on the thumbnail chart.
Hereās a couple examples of me doing that.
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Currently there isnāt a way to do this on EBC BETA.
Is it worth adding that function? Would you use it?
What you can do on the BETA is leverage low/high/peak bucket fields to ācompleteā a workout.
I did that today. Hereās how ā and why ā you may want to.
- Start a selected workout on EBC and run it as normal.
- When interval portion of the workout has completed and youāre ready to cooldown, tap AUTO to switch to Slope mode, then swipe the lower page view to display Low, High, Peak buckets.
- If you havenāt filled all the buckets (green checkmarks) continue to insert additional intervals under your control. This might mean a 10 sec sprint to top off any remaining Peak or a couple 20-30 sec efforts to fill High and Peak. Or ride easy if Low needs to be filled. IOW free ride to fill any remaining buckets.
- When finished swipe up, STOP, and save the recording.
Why would you want to do this? ERG Control (AUTO mode) doesnāt ensure intervals match their intended XSS points. Depending on your trainerās responsiveness HIT intervals may look like this.
Or a lot worse for short spiky intervals like this.
The longer the workout set the more those missing points add up.
To see how much your trainer response affects your intervals, take a look at your past indoor HIT workouts and enable Target Power on the chart. Then zoom in.
A simple way to resolve this issue is switching to Slope mode for short spiky intervals and monitor the rainbow gauge carefully to match interval targets. Gears/cadence provide fast and tight control. Example:
Hereās an example where I deliberately exceeded targets which is another benefit to Slope mode and an inherent feature of XMB.
Another option would be to swipe up before Cooldown has ended, STOP, and select End Workout, then Continue. If you do this, Magic Buckets is fully functional including guidance to fill any remaining buckets. However, this doesnāt work at the moment because as soon as you Continue your trainer will change to its default resistance level which you canāt alter by changing gears and Slope control is not an option. To resolve this situation EBC would need to switch into Slope mode when you select Continue.
Another approach would be to add an option when you tap STOP called Switch to XMB in addition to End Workout and End Activity.
If you select Switch, EBC would change to XMB format in Slope mode and return you to the activity in progress with any remaining buckets to fill.
Another possibility (simpler solution?) is aways have Magic Buckets available when running EBC.
Start a selected workout in AUTO mode as normal. If you swipe past the power chart the Magic Buckets rainbow gauge is shown. If you want to follow XMB guidelines, tap AUTO to change to Slope mode then swipe the bottom page view to display low/high/peak buckets.
The only issue is the workout would still be running with transition sounds and a data feed to XO for the online Player. You could ignore the beeps or perhaps EBC could suppress workout sounds when viewing XMB gauge. The data feed would continue although the workout chart shown online wonāt apply to what you are doing. Thatās fine.
How ever this function might be implemented Iād like this as a choice. It means I can always match the XSS goal for the day or surpass the numbers.
If an ERG controlled workout is too much to handle, or the workout is ending but Iām short on points, Iād switch to XMB and complete the workout under my control.
Whether this function gets added or not, I suggest you swipe to display low/high/peak buckets during Cooldown and verify your HIT interval results. If high/peak are short, consider a switch to Slope mode then free ride to fill the buckets before ending the workout.
Itās a fun way to earn these ā 
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Can someone make a tutorial about how to use magic buckets on the android app? Every tutorial I find about magic buckets is for the Garmin Fields and when I try to do one on the android app it showed the magic buckets but none of the other things like interval times That Iāve seen on the tutorials
Oh yes, please! I just realized this a couple days ago. After finishing the workout, I wanted to continue filling buckets, but I couldnāt control the trainer in any mode (bug?).
So a pop-up or similar when the workout is over would be great.
In my opinion, the options at the end could be āFinishā or āContinue.ā If you tap ācontinue,ā you can choose the mode (nothing fancy, just as we do it today): slope, EGR, or auto. The auto mode could be fixed at your endurance power. Regardless of the mode you choose, the XMB should always be available.
There is a trick for doing that.
During Cooldown tap AUTO to switch to Slope mode. Sometimes I do that during the last 10 seconds of the workout.
Slope mode will remain active so you can continue riding with resistance under gears/cadence control.
You can then swipe to the Low/High/Peak data fields and fill any remaining buckets or simply continue the cooldown for as long as you want.
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Any Karoo users have a good method for quickly switching from EBC to the native workout data screens and also just general tips? Iām trying to figure out how to use these together because EBC isnāt really a full replacement for the native data screens (for instance it lacks the mapping and navigation features)
Hi @Mtnphotog,
Great question! One useful method is to install the MPA data field on one of your Karoo profiles. This way, you can start your ride using the native Karoo interface and still access the Xert EBC app mid-ride.
Just tap the MPA data field during your ride ā this will launch the EBC app so you can access features like Magic Buckets. When youāre ready to return to your regular Karoo data screens (e.g. for mapping or navigation), swipe up or press the bottom left button (on the K2) to switch back.
This lets you get the best of both worlds: Karooās native features and Xertās real-time adaptive tools.
Weāll also be sharing more detailed info once Xert EBC appears in the Karoo Extensions menu ā stay tuned!
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I canāt get EBC to recognize my power meter that my Karoo is connected to. It shows the power data on the Karoo data screen but wonāt connect in EBC
I can get it to connect at various times but it keeps disconnecting. Iām on my trainer and connecting to my power pedals.
Reinstall.
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Thanks. I tried updating the app to the latest version showing up in Extensions and will test it tomorrow.
So cool!
EBC workout and then continue/finish with EBC Magic Buckets until you reach the daily recommended load.
Itās great having the XMB integrated into EBC!
I just realized that when Iām training with a workout (on EBC), the XMB goals correspond to that workout. That makes sense. But somehow, I thought I was looking at my daily goalsā¦
Would it be possible to have two XMB views or a toggle button to switch between workout goals and daily goals?
Iām not sure if this would make sense to others or if itās just me being too much of a perfectionist trying to complete the daily goals perfectly.
Hereās my situation: I select a recommended workout ā the XSS numbers never match the daily ones, which is totally fine. But with XMC on EBC, I thought I could finally complete the daily goals independently from the workout.
I know itās possible to finish the workout, save it, start a new free ride, and then the XMB on EBC shows the remaining daily goal (btw, thatās already a very nice feature).
But maybe ā as a possible future feature, if more people than just me find it useful ā it would be nice if, when the cooldown starts, a pop-up appeared asking whether youāre done or if you want to keep going to fill your daily buckets ā and then it can show you the missing daily buckets.
*sorry infinite edits
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How about suppressing interval detection during Warm-up?
IOW if you happen to surge at a traffic light or need to clear a short hill and you exceed TP, the app stays in warm-up mode.
This would also allow you to insert an opener during warm-up that doesnāt trigger Intervals mode.
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Beta release as of July 29 is 5.0.2 (355).
Has anyone had an issue with the low XSS reading WAY low on the new beta EBC app? For example, yesterday I did a long indoor ride in ERG mode. At the end of the ride, the low XSS bucket was showing 214xss. After uploading, the low XSS was shown correctly: 261XSS. This has been a consistent issue for me.
Anyone have any anecdotal or firm experience on battery drain in a Karoo 3 using the Xert EBC app? Iām seeing some significant battery loss when rides are in the 4 5 hr range. Iād like to know if this could be offset by not loading the EBC app. Iād like to use it for the āfree rangeā magic buckets use but could do without. Any further thoughts?
Weāve worked to reduce the load the app puts on the device and would be surprised if there is any noticeable difference. If you are seeing differences, send a note to support with details that might help us reproduce. Cheers.
Iāll note that I tried it briefly on my Amazon Fire HD 7, and it appeared to work as expected. Took me a moment to figure things out, as I havenāt used the app at all prior, but Iām hoping to give it a harder test later this week. It does mean not using Zwift at the same time, because my trainer, an Elite Suito, only has one Bluetooth connection, and that is going to the Zwift companion app, then to Apple TV. So Iād basically be stuck staring at the app only, maybe something else on the TV then. Also, hard to watch the tablet on my current setup.