Relative power in strava summary no thank you

[cycleanalyzecoaching (patrick mcnally)]

I don’t see any value in this, at all. Can we please get it out of our strava summaries if we want. Thanks.

[scoobmw2 (Scoob 439)]

@xertedbrain

Here’s an example from today. Luca is a bit heavier than Ryan and used up more calories, but their relative power was the same:

Understood. I’m only a use case of one so it’s just opinion - not something I need or will use, but I do realise that’s just me. Hope development goes well.

[xertedbrain (Armando Mastracci)]

Thanks Scoob. Our group has had some very interesting and valuable conversations on it and I think it will grow on users. It’s a bit new and not well understood. We’ll shed more light on what it means and how it can be used.

[cycleanalyzecoaching (patrick mcnally)]

So can it be removed from strava summaries yet. This hasn’t yet been answered.

[Garrick (Garrick Taylor)]

I’ve generally been going in and editing these to remove the images, and the workout summary. I delete everything after the calorie, fat, and carb entries.

[xertedbrain (Armando Mastracci)]

Unfortunately there’s no option to choose what information you want on the summary. You can enable it disable it. We are wanting to do more with our Strava reports and provide athletes with choices of what to show and when but that’s a bit of work and we have our hands full at the moment.

We do appreciate your perspective and will have that in mind when we can get there.

[hpbieker (Hans Petter Bieker)]

@xertedbrain

Mine was 17W higher likely because my weight is about 3kg too low on Xert (roughly accounted for about 7-10W … need to adjust that!). I also likely pulled the group a bit more on this ride.

It is interesting to compare the power of other riders on a group ride. However, the way you have implemented it so far (based on the existing features) requires the other riders to also be on Xert. So this begs the question – how big fractions of the activities on Xert are with at least one other Xert user?

I would assume the number is minimal, given that Xert has no big market share. And if so it might not be worth spending resources on it.

If you could make this work for non-Xert users as well by e.g. pulling data from Strava then you would have a more useful feature. So far Xert has only found one group ride with me with a person I know. In addition, it matched me with a person I passed when riding on Zwift

[xertedbrain (Armando Mastracci)]

Pretty much everyone I ride with is an Xert user and we all examine this after each ride. Removing it for them (or me) would not go over well. Once you have access to it in groups with other Xert users, it’s hard to go without it.

As I mentioned, it’ll be more valuable once we explain how it’s used in the XFAI Race option and we do an explanatory video of how to understand it. From there, some may find it easier to talk their riding partners into using Xert…

[hpbieker (Hans Petter Bieker)]

@xertedbrain

Pretty much everyone I ride with is an Xert user and we all examine this after each ride. Removing it for them (or me) would not go over well. Once you have access to it in groups with other Xert users, it’s hard to go without it.

I believe you have tried to sell Xert to them since you started Xert I don’t think this is the case for most users.

I see the Strava API is a bit limited. But if you could get a list of the activities that Strava considers as part of the group ride (it doesn’t look like you can get that information from https://www.strava.com/api/v3/activities/{id}) you could download the associated .fit files and present them to the Xert user. He/she could then show it to his friends and convince them to sign up

[xertedbrain (Armando Mastracci)]

@hpbieker

I see the Strava API is a bit limited. But if you could get a list of the activities that Strava considers as part of the group ride (it doesn’t look like you can get that information from https://www.strava.com/api/v3/activities/{id}) you could download the associated .fit files and present them to the Xert user. He/she could then show it to his friends and convince them to sign up

There are lots of privacy concerns and we’d need users to agree to a different privacy policy. Strava Sauce does some magic with Strava data you have access to from your browser but doing something like that isn’t possible with the Strava API.

[xertedbrain (Armando Mastracci)]

@hpbieker

I believe you have tried to sell Xert to them since you started Xert I don’t think this is the case for most users.

Why not? It’s the best available platform for analyzing your data and prescribing training. Was an easy sell. Fortunately, it reached a critical mass and everyone in my circle talks fitness signatures, MPA, red/yellow/blue status and breakthroughs. It’s our shared language that describes where we each are with our training and fitness level. We quite enjoy the banter and I wish it upon everyone to have that same enjoyment one day. Sincerely.

… but I digress…

[johnnybike (John Hallas)]

I know I am a lone voice but Xert seems to be moving to cater for things I am not that interested in.
I don’t ride with anyone who uses Xert and nobody, bar me is a data geek. In fact I rarely do group rides now.

[hpbieker (Hans Petter Bieker)]

I do not think you are a lone voice. I do group rides (and some races), but as mentioned above I am the only one using Xert so it will not be relevant to me. And I think this is the case for most users – most users do not have multiple riding buddies with Xert. Only a few do. Furthermore, is not that useful to see this information if only you can see the values for one out of ten in a group.

[xertedbrain (Armando Mastracci)]

The demographic of our users is quite broad. While we do have many solitary users, we also have many cycling club members and teams (some secretly using Xert). Many new users come to Xert after seeing someone else’s Strava ride that they follow, perhaps ride with. Teams will see benefit from using our relative power over W/kg. Thanks.

[scoobmw2 (Scoob 439)]

End of the day this thread was just about this relative power number.
So it’s been useful for helping me understand what it is and therefore why it has personal bearing in my riding, so one bit of data I can skip.

I think I need to look for a thread / start one on the data fields I’m most keen on. I’ll go do that somewhere else

[cycleanalyzecoaching (patrick mcnally)]

@xertedbrain

Many new users come to Xert after seeing someone else’s Strava ride that they follow, perhaps ride with

I think what bothers me and has become clear is the strava summary seems to have been changed in a way that benefits Xert, and not the Xert user. I know it’s a small thing and I can edit every single summary easily. It feels more like an advertisement about a dubious new feature rather than a feature addition for the user.

[scoobmw2 (Scoob 439)]

Yup - that makes sense - company promoting its tech and all that.
I’ll just skip the Strava summary feed I think.

[qriozum (Artur Chmielewski)]

I am after some outdoor activities.
Despite the altitude data (also power, HR and many others) the report does not show “RelativePower”

Do I need to meet any more requirements?

Greetings
Artur

[robday]

I just sync Garmin Connect to Strava for outdoor rides. Xert then reads the Stava data and I don’t get the Xert Summary appearing on outdoor rides in Strava.

[qriozum (Artur Chmielewski)]

I would pair GarminConnect with XERT directly, not through Strava.