Magic buckets & indoor training

Yup. :smiley:

For those who may not be aware, every Forecast AI Report
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shows two TS pills in upper right indicating recovery days for low and high/peak.

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In my case this translates to –

With Automatically Schedule enabled on the Planner I got the default Recovery workout option today.

RestRecoveryDay

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Sounds like a good reason to not put any workouts in the planner ever again :+1:

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If I do an easy ride in the morning but want to do the main workout in the afternoon, how would i get the Magic Buckets to take into account the XSS from the morning ride into the targets as when I’ve tried something similar ie stopped my Garmin for some reason at the lunch stop it it gives me the original targets when I restart my Garmin
Thanks

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I also think that should be improved.

This is already handled on Xert web I believe, and the bucket should do the same thing:

  • Forecasted activity
  • Remaining XSS if any
  • Additional training

In addition, you have the complication that you can have multiple planned activities on your calendar…

Not sure there is any answer anywhere for this but is there a reason why these magic buckets can not be part of the remote player page? Xert - Login

I normally just start up an activity on the Xert player on my phone so I can get the remote player updating to use information when I stream my rides indoors. Be nice to have the buckets in the player as well to use indoors without the need to use a garmin

If this has been answered anywhere before if you can point me in the direction be great

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Hmm… hadn’t thought about it that way but someone could conceivably leave the Planner blank, never select or choose a workout, and every day MB would sync with Today’s Specificity, Focus Power and XSS (low, high, peak). Then head out (or in) and do whatever you want within those guidelines with the option to color outside the lines. :slight_smile:

OTOH I think it might get tedious free riding MB every day indoors. I like to ride most LIT in AUTO mode watching the Session Player or Netflix or YT on the big screen. Or tackle a variety of HIT workouts in Slope mode where the only thing that really matters is watching the rainbow gauge on EBC or the Remote/Session Player.

I’ll likely rely on MB for days when I want to ride HIT or LIT outdoors. This is HUGE feature add IMO.
Those who follow my posts know I have always been a proponent of Free Ride to Focus.
MB streamlines the process and makes it easy to take advantage of this unique way to train.
Non-Garmin users driven by FOMO might want to consider picking up a used G530 (or 520Plus).
Otherwise I imagine Xert’s next project will be adding XMB and XFAI functionality to EBC.

Now that I see how it works I’ll also use MB indoors in virtual world when I want.
I don’t subscribe to Zwift but use the free 25k once a month for kicks. Turns out you can keep going past that limit on a single ride. :man_cartwheeling:

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Since EBC drives the Remote/Session Players I think that is where Xert will add XMB next.

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If you really want to game the Zwift free 25km per month you can just do Road to Sky up the Alpe which is just 17km (and not descend).
Then you can get a second ride in of any distance.

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I think either Armando or Scott (or maybe both) have said adding a version of the magic buckets to EBC is somewhere on the development list. I don’t think they gave a timeline and it sounds like they may have a pretty long list of items in development.

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That would be brilliant. Be perfect.

I believe they want to develop it on one platform first (Garmin) and get the feedback before they replicate this on the other platforms. There are typically a few changes to the concept after the first release.

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Taking advantage of this open thread I would like to launch a request… It would be awesome to have in the EBC app a Magic Bullets ERG mode for our indoor training, it could work like that… autocalculate power intervals and we could hit a button.to enter rest mode.

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I can see the appeal but there is also the idea that you don’t need to be so precise that you need ERG mode. It’s ok to just ride and come close. If you really want precision with ERG mode, you’ll be able to generate a workout (this will likely be a replacement or in conjunction with the autogen feature) that you can do just like a regular workout. But doing it in MB and having it switch from ERG to manual with the click of buttons seems like a bit too much to implement, perfect and then maintain for what it’s worth.

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@hpbieker what is your setup when you record everything on your Garmin? I am using my 1040 and I have an indoor profile with Magic Buckets, the XERT dashboard and a few other fields I want to track. Then I just free ride to fill my buckets. Is there a better / more efficient way?

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The autogen feature could be coolt too. At the moment autogen isn’t working for me, never generate the right focus / strain required by the AI plan.

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Overall I have a Wahoo Kickr Bike with a Garmin mount and a Quadlock mount for my iPhone. In front of me I have 40" 4K TV connected to a Mac Mini where I run YouTube or smiliar and the Xert Session player.

I have fried various approaches here. One is to have a simple Xert workout with 2x10 x 30/30 + Endurance at the end. The hard intervales are in slope mode and the rest in ERG. Then I just take directions from the Magic Buckets on the power targets (should I go harder or softer this time) and how many repetions I should take. If I need more intervals I just press rewind a few times to add more intervals. When I am done with the hard stuff I press forward until I get to the endurance part of the workout. Note that the Wahoo Kickr Bike allows multiple BLE connections, which is not the case with all trainers or power meters.

I have also tried using just Garmin Edge. You just pair your trainer as a smart trainer and start the activity in slope mode, e.g. at 1 % incline. Then you just follow the instrudtions from the Magic Bucket datafield. You have to use your gearing to put out higher watts during the work intervals, but you quickly notice which gear you have to be in. Maybe go to 4-5 harder gears in the work intervals vs the rest intervals. It also depends on if you are standing or seated.

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But it is generating a workout with the correct Xlss, Xhss, and Xpss?

That’s how I have been doing it too. Every workout so far seems to devolve into some variation of 60-30 to 30-30.

I’ve only used Magic Buckets indoors though, I’m looking forward to trying it outside soon. I think that is where it will really shine.

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These are exactly one of the ways that I anticipate people using the data field. Doing it this way allows people to get all the “stuff” that Garmin offers when you record from their devices, the speed/distance data based on your gearing/cadence, all while getting the SMART benefits of Xert via Magic Intervals!

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I do want to point out that this is not how we designed it to work, but it’s what the math suggests is the most optimal/efficient way to achieve the XSS needed, especially if you need to achieve large doses of High XSS. This doesn’t appear to be a coincidence, given the known efficacy of various micro-intervals: 30-30’s, 30-15’s, 20-10’s, etc.

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